Well my comptuer has been broken for like a month, but i'm back now:) Wow you guys have discussed free will for awhile now....Llywen and lueff haave done a good job and replying to everything...i don't really have anything to say because i don't want to get into a deep discussion since i'm leaving for vacation....i'll save that till next week when i get home, but i will say that i believe in predestination, and when i get home i'll join in with the debate:)