[b]barry wrote:[/b] [quote]Until a Scripture can be posted proving this post wrong.....That Grace was never applied to anyone who did not live out HaShem\'s Torah and never counted to those who invalitated it in any way.....your position, theology and opinions are invalid.[/quote] The fact that those who did not live out HaShem\'s Torah weren\'t immediately cast into eternal Hell the very second they sinned (which God certainly could have justly done) shows that at least some grace is applied to sinners.