For the sake of time though, let's start at Romans 8:28 as you suggested. I'll put it up and exegete it and you tell me whether I'm right or wrong: Romans 8:28 [color=#0000FF]28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.[/color] From reading all of the passages in Romans 8 before this one, Paul is saying that God will cause all things (good and bad) to work together for the good of the people that love God (meaning the people that have chosen to believe the Gospel and submit to God's commandments). This promise is offered to those who God has called according to God's purpose. How's that?