I am not sure if such topic like this exists, if it does - sorry. ^^ But anyways, my question is: do you guys/girls believe in aliens? I personally do. Seriously, there are sooooooo many stars in the sky, how ignorant you need to be to think that there is no other sentient life form? (no offense) So come on, discuss! :)

My thoughts...this whole alien agenda is nothing new to humanity (from even ancient times) and is just preparing the masses for a great deception (2 Thessalonians 2:9) in which the Anti-Christ will appear as the Savior of the World in the form of a highly advanced alien (watcher) who has come to bring peace (as well as incredibly advanced technology) to the World. So powerful will be the deception that it will even be difficult for most Christians to see what is really occurring (Mark 13:12). What would be really happening...Luke 17:26 "And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man." This is Jesus speaking of what the world will be like in the generation just prior to his Second Coming. So...what was it about the days of Noah that were so peculiar that God saw it fitting to destroy all flesh? Genesis 6:2-4 "that the [b]sons of God[/b] saw the [b]daughters of men[/b], that they [were] beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose...There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the [b]sons of God[/b] came in to the [b]daughters of men[/b] and they bore [children] to them. Those [were] the mighty men who [were] of old, men of renown." If you actually pay attention to the Hebrew words being used in this text, it becomes clear that the "Son's of God" (ben 'elohiym) are the same sort of "Son's of God" (ben 'elohiym) that we see in Job 1:6...Satan and other fallen angels. This mingling of fallen angels (appearing to we mortals in the form of "gods" ) with the daughters of men (normal human beings) is what gave birth to the Nephilim (who were "giants" ) and also gave birth to the "mighy ones" (gibbowr). These were supernaturally powerful men whom the ancients referred to as gods and demi-gods. History (from hundreds of different cultures around the world) and the Apocryphal historical texts are prolific with testimonies to this fact (the watchers)...even going into further detail as to who the ben 'elohiym, Nephilim, and gibbowr were (specifically) as well as how they filled the earth to the point that only Noah's bloodline was not corrupted (comingled) with the fallen ones. At any rate, my point is that these "aliens" (gods, demi-gods, Nephilim, ben 'elohiym, and gibbowr) are nothing new to humanity...the "alien" (UFO, ET) is just a new shell being put on the same beings for our more artificial technological age in order that this deceptive pill can be more easily swallowed by the masses. Just as Christ will soon return, so must the Anti-Christ make his false second coming first. He's not going to appear on the scene as a god (Osiris, Horace, etc) or demi-god (Nimrod, Thor, Hercules, etc), as we no longer live in a time in which the world culture would as easily accept such an ancient concept...but will likely wrap himself in a technologically advanced alien veneer as our savior from another world. Think about it. That's a little snippet of my take on this phenomenon. If you would like to learn more about this, I would recommend the following video to delve deeper into these subjects. While I don't agree with every single observation made by these researchers (simply because I haven't had time to research some of their claims regarding modern secret programs and agendas), I will say that their historical and Biblical references are undeniable...as well as that their testimony regarding most modern secret programs are quite well corroborated with solid evidence. They are also experts in the modern moves to merge animals with men (chimera) which is also nothing new to humanity if you look at the historical, Biblical, and Apocryphal records. What's the agenda? To once more make hosts (human like bodies) fitting for the Nephilim (what we now call "demons, who are simply the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, after the Flood destroyed their former hybrid bodies). They need dedicated bodies (of their own) to be once more active in a great way in the earth and that is what these Chimera bodies are likely going to be used for. I'm sure most of you have already seen this in the news (genetically splicing cows and humans, etc). The historical records show that his has happened before in history and this is the generation in which it is going to happen again. Have I taken you out of your left right paradigm comfort zone yet? Man, this guy's crazy! Really? Is what I'm saying any more absurd than believing in a bunch of aliens from another planet for which we have absolutely no credible evidence? Indeed, there are aliens...but they are the fallen ones (ben 'elohiym, Nephilim, and gibbowr) just making their FULL return to our physical dimension that Jesus warned us about (as in the Day's of Noah) to deceive the masses. The evidence shows that they're not from other planets, but rather from other dimensions (the spirit realm, the second heaven) and you must believe they DO NOT have our best interest in mind. Do the research for yourself. I would also recommend Russ Dizdar's research as well. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q-SWhHk0Ic[/url]

Here is another very good resource on this subject. Take the time to at least make yourself aware of the research... [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7bds4rXyK0&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLAA4E91A49DB10769[/url]

[quote]My thoughts...this whole alien agenda is nothing new to humanity (from even ancient times) and is just preparing the masses for a great deception (2 Thessalonians 2:9) in which the Anti-Christ will appear as the Savior of the World in the form of a highly advanced alien (watcher) who has come to bring peace (as well as incredibly advanced technology) to the World. So powerful will be the deception that it will even be difficult for most Christians to see what is really occurring (Mark 13:12). [/quote] I've heard of fictional works that follow this plot-line but I've never heard of it as an apocalyptic theory. Interesting. And from a mathematical point of view, I do find someone saying something like "in an ever-expanding universe, the existence of aliens on other planets is probable" to be much less...abstract than saying that the antichrist is a demon pretending to be an alien.

Right? Especially considering there's nothing in Scripture to suggest that the Anti-Christ might be an alien. That is actually the single wackiest eschatological musing I've ever heard. I mean, I've heard multiple suggestions about what the Nephilim might be, and will acknowledge it's not exactly a settled matter in orthodoxy, but to make the leap that the beast will be a highly advanced alien as well as advanced technology is incredible. Serf thanks for responding with more restraint that I was going to. force, you're funny. You can stay.

Wasn't there a guy in the earlier 2000s that convinced a whole bunch of people that he was Jesus and that if they committed suicide with him they would go to some alien spaceship hiding behind an asteroid? And the people did it? There was also another one who said he was Jesus. And he had glasses! I read the book. It said Jesus cured the blind. I think he could fix astigmatism....

[color=#0000FF][b]serfofChrist92 wrote:[/b] [quote] And from a mathematical point of view, I do find someone saying something like "in an ever-expanding universe, the existence of aliens on other planets is probable" to be much less...abstract than saying that the antichrist is a demon pretending to be an alien.[/quote][/color] Actually, if we're truly being scientific and mathematical about it...there are so many variables that are required to be fine tuned for any life to exist on a planet that serious scientists (who are willing to consider all of the variables involved) have declared it far beyond the ratios (in the negative) of what is considered scientifically impossible. I'm not saying that science cannot be wrong or be missing data, but I am saying that current science's knowledge of physics has found that it is ridiculously improbably that life would ever exist elsewhere. Again, I'm not saying it is impossible...its just MUCH more difficult to believe such a thing when the Bible, historical records, modern scientific research, and eye witnesses testify to the idea I'm suggesting of what's really behind this whole phenomenon. It's kind of like how it takes an incredible amount of more faith to believe in something as far fetched and lacking real evidence as spontaneous evolution...rather than just choosing to believe what God's Word says happened regarding creation. That's what I meant when I said that believing in aliens from other planets was much more lacking in evidence. To quote a prominent Christian Astrophysicist: http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/hugh-ross-origin-of-the-universe/ [color=#000080] "At Least 41 Fine-Tuned Characteristics, to have One Planet that Supports Life The bottom line to all of this is that we have 41 characteristics of the solar system that must be fine-tuned for life to exist. But even if the universe contains as many planets as it does stars, which is a gross overestimate in my opinion, that still leaves us with less than one chance in a billion trillion that you'd find even one planet in the entire universe with the capacity for supporting life."[/color] Just watch the videos!!! ;)

[b]forcedelune wrote:[/b] [quote](in the negative)[/quote] ratios don't do negatives ;) [quote] [...] Again, I'm not saying it is impossible...its just MUCH more difficult to believe such a thing when the Bible, historical records, modern scientific research, and eye witnesses testify to the idea I'm suggesting of what's really behind this whole phenomenon.[/quote] Try this then: God created billions and billions of stars and countless planets, most beyond our ability to see with the naked eye and decided ours was the only planet with life?

^ Is that so hard to believe? There's no reason it couldn't be true. To argue this would be an appeal to incredulity; i.e., it's hard to believe, so it isn't so.

[b]BrotherReed wrote:[/b] [quote]^ Is that so hard to believe? There's no reason it couldn't be true. To argue this would be an appeal to incredulity; i.e., it's hard to believe, so it isn't so.[/quote] not sure if that's at me or forced but I don't think we can say for certain one way or the other.