[b]MaddMatt wrote:[/b] [quote]So if you had the choice of spending time with your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ... have dinner, talk about life....etc... OR You could sit and have dinner and conversation with Satan himself, and hear about all his evil things he does, and how he is going to destroy the youth of the world.... Which would you choose?[/quote] DH fan "i would choose to spend time with Jesus without any hesitation, but I fail to see the point of that question in this debate. Could you explain it for me? " I think what he's trying to prove is that through harry potter and other tooks like books, videogames, tv, movies ect... its tools Satan is using to corrupt the youth of the nation.. After all we are the youth of the nation. Really young kids are involved in many of Satans tools.

What is truly scary is that the parents of many children are ignorant as to spiritual warfare, and spiritual entities. Comparing Star Wars (I am not saying that it is a good Christian movie) to Harry Potter is not a good example. There are two sides to Star Wars, Light and Dark / Good and Evil. This is a plausible representation of Heaven and Hell, although not a very accurate one. I am not saying that Star Wars is a good representation of Biblical teachings! I am saying that Harry Potter presents witchcraft as harmless fun. Star Wars presents the Dark side as wrong, and evil, and undesirable. If the “force” were replaced with “spiritual relm” in Star Wars, there would be the Godly side, and the ungodly side. Let us focus on Harry Potter though… Harry Potter involves sorcery and witchcraft. The entire series revolves around this theme, and they all go to the school of magic. What is wrong with this, is that these things are real. Satan does have demons, and spirits on this earth that work in supernatural ways through magic, and witchcraft. Here is the real kicker. Guess what! You don’t even have to believe in Satan, witchcraft, or magic for Satan to entice you, and entrap you in his snare. You don’t have to believe in supernatural spiritual happenings, in order for Satan to prove himself to you. Satan would love for kids to “test” him and see if things really can happen through the very things that are being taught in Harry Potter. The fact is, the Harry Potter books do nothing but 1) Glorify Satan 2) Entice children to dabble in witchcraft 3) Pull children away from God Ignorance is no excuse in Heaven. We justify allowing children in Christian homes to read this demonic stuff through ignorance.

i really wanna get this straight here.... i do not like Harry Potter... I dont think that it is good at all by any means or at any point in time.... i agree with what you said, Matt, about Harry Potter...... my opinion though is that it is not a sin for a person to JUST read the books or JUST watch the movie.... if doing so causes you to sin then it is wrong, but just watching or reading Harry Potter is not the sin... it is your reaction and where you take it from there

Oh... okay... I got it. So just looking at something can't be a sin... unless you act upon it physically... But of course we all know that this is false... for if we "look" at a women lustfully then we are committing adultry... I would say that it is not a sin to watch, or read Harry Potter... I would say that if you find it entertaining then you really need to think about it.. If you are entertained, and choose to be entertained by witchcraft.... Hm...

well for me - - when i am reading or watching one of the movies - - im not being entertained by witchcraft - - im more being entertained about the story plot and the interaction of the characters. && just because i watch CSI doesn't mean i'm entertained by murder and am glorifying it. && what about lord of the rings? its sold in Christian Bookstore Distributors - - and theres witchcraft in it.

[b]horsechic1990 wrote:[/b] [quote]Hello everyone! I have debated this with quite a few of my friends before, and I was wondering what you all thought of Harry Potter and weither you thought it was wrong/sinful to watch the movies/read the books. I hope that you all don't attack me for saying this, but I am a Harry Potter fan and I don't see anything wrong with watching the movies or reading the books 'cause in my opinion it doesn't say in the Bible that we can't read about stuff like Harry Potter. To me, the Bible says not to do witchcraft, and if you read the books or watch the movies, then you are not doing witchcraft, so as long as Harry Potter doesn't make you believe in witchcraft, then I think it's ok to like it. Anyways, Harry Potter doesn't have real witchcraft in it and half the books are spent on the theme of good vs. evil anyways. Also, why would people call Harry Potter series satanic, 'cause Satan isn't even mentioned in the books and the books are not meant to glorify him. I was just wondering what you all thought of Harry Potter and any comments/advice would be really helpful. Thanks![/quote] ok you said the Bible said not to do witchcraft. but it didn't say anything about not watching it or reading it. ok yeah I gotcha on that. but....the Bible also said that sex outside of marriage is bad. But I didn't say watching movies with people doing it is wrong did it? so does that mean we can?? you decide but I really don't think we should be filling our minds with that stuff.

i think that it is fine to read or watch harry potter.... as long as u dont get to carried away with the witch craft. i mean ur not sinning but ur not doing the best thing 4 God either. but the Bible says not to belive or do witch craft. so as long as u dont do either one of those then i think that it is perfectly fine...... <>< * ><> * <>< * ><> * <>< * ><> * <>< * ><> * <>< * ><>

Phillipians 4:8Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. Justify your actions however you want... We all do justify our sins at the time that we commit them, otherwise, we would not commit them. However, there is nothing pure, holy, righteous, or Godly about enticing young children's minds with satanic practices... be they make believe or real. You simply can not justify it with Scripture... So far you have all justified it by saying: 1) There are other movies out there that people think are okay, so therefore Harrry Potter is okay... This falls completely apart, as man does not decide that which is righteous... Nor does the secular movie industry establish, "That which is pure and Holy." You need to start relying on Scripture for your scale of what is righteous, instead of the world, and Hollywood. 2) You have commented that, "It is fine to be entiertaine by satanic practices, as long as you don't get up and dance with him, or partake in those practices." That is like saying it is okay for little children to watch porn, and look at adult magazines as much as they want, as long as they never act upon them. As long as they only watch for entertainment, then it is not wrong to be entertained by porn. This is by far the weakest argument presented. It is okay to entertain yourselves with sin, as long as you do not act upon it????! Seriously?! You actually believe that? I don't think you do. I think you just hope that we are all dumb enough to buy into it. [b]Explain to me in Scripture, where we are permitted to:[/b] "look at a women lustfully, as long as we don't touch?" [b]or where [/b] "think upon whatever things are of satan, as long as you don't act" [b]or better yet tell me where it says, [/b] "Whatever the world (Hollywood) presents as being acceptable, is thus acceptable in the eyes of God." Do you understand that these are as deep (or shallow) as your responses have been to this issue? Do you realize that you have completely left Scripture out of your equation for discerning that which is Godly? -Matt

[b]MaddMatt wrote:[/b] [quote]Harry Potter is a sheep in wolves clothing. Harry Potter conveys a message that witchcraft is harmless, and fun. For children to watch Harry Potter is an act of ignorance on their parents part. For an adult to say that it is harmless, because it is entertaining, is even worse... For a Christian to argue that it is okay to glorify witchcraft, scrocery, and satanic acts of Spiritual entities is just down right sad, and discouraging.[/quote] where is the scripture in this post?

[b]MaddMatt wrote:[/b] [quote]What is truly scary is that the parents of many children are ignorant as to spiritual warfare, and spiritual entities. Comparing Star Wars (I am not saying that it is a good Christian movie) to Harry Potter is not a good example. There are two sides to Star Wars, Light and Dark / Good and Evil. This is a plausible representation of Heaven and Hell, although not a very accurate one. I am not saying that Star Wars is a good representation of Biblical teachings! I am saying that Harry Potter presents witchcraft as harmless fun. Star Wars presents the Dark side as wrong, and evil, and undesirable. If the “force” were replaced with “spiritual relm” in Star Wars, there would be the Godly side, and the ungodly side. Let us focus on Harry Potter though… Harry Potter involves sorcery and witchcraft. The entire series revolves around this theme, and they all go to the school of magic. What is wrong with this, is that these things are real. Satan does have demons, and spirits on this earth that work in supernatural ways through magic, and witchcraft. Here is the real kicker. Guess what! You don’t even have to believe in Satan, witchcraft, or magic for Satan to entice you, and entrap you in his snare. You don’t have to believe in supernatural spiritual happenings, in order for Satan to prove himself to you. Satan would love for kids to “test” him and see if things really can happen through the very things that are being taught in Harry Potter. The fact is, the Harry Potter books do nothing but 1) Glorify Satan 2) Entice children to dabble in witchcraft 3) Pull children away from God Ignorance is no excuse in Heaven. We justify allowing children in Christian homes to read this demonic stuff through ignorance.[/quote] any scripture here? and before maddmatt bans my account i wuold like to say this is not meant as a blast on him but just asking if there are scriptures in his posts when he is continually telling us to use scripture