Alright, y'all Armenians believe in free will now give me some Scripture to back it up.

What the heck is an Armenian? I'm an American, but I still believe in free will. Joshua 24:15 "Choose this day whom you will serve"

[b]MattBob_SquarePants wrote:[/b] [quote]What the heck is an Armenian? I'm an American, but I still believe in free will. Joshua 24:15 "Choose this day whom you will serve"[/quote] Arminian. The opisite of Calvinist, basically. Believes in free will and stuff like you can lose your salvation.

[b]dancingwithtomatoes42 wrote:[/b] [quote][b]MattBob_SquarePants wrote:[/b] [quote]What the heck is an Armenian? I'm an American, but I still believe in free will. Joshua 24:15 "Choose this day whom you will serve"[/quote] Arminian. The opisite of Calvinist, basically. Believes in free will and stuff like you can lose your salvation.[/quote] Yeah, I was just being facetious (or trying to). I don't go in for titles like that. They just split us up. I'm a follower of the Most High, and a disciple of His Son, Yeshua HaMeshiach, who is called Jesus. What more do you need to know?

[b]dancingwithtomatoes42 wrote:[/b] [quote][b]MattBob_SquarePants wrote:[/b] [quote]What the heck is an Armenian? I'm an American, but I still believe in free will. Joshua 24:15 "Choose this day whom you will serve"[/quote] Arminian. The opisite of Calvinist, basically. Believes in free will and stuff like you can lose your salvation.[/quote] Dang, the spellcheck told me to spell it with an e instead of an i.

The fact that we are told we can and have to choose Jesus. The fact that Jesus tought us, so that we can understand, so that we can go to heaven. Whats the point of Jesus teaching, G-ds teaching, if he already chose us, and chose what we will believe. If there was such thing as predestination G-d could have no such thing as real mercy or grace.Because our sins would have been planed by G-d. Whats the point of any commandments, how could G-d hate sin tell us not to sin and yet have planned all of our sin. I gg.

[b]MattBob_SquarePants wrote:[/b] [quote][b]dancingwithtomatoes42 wrote:[/b] [quote][b]MattBob_SquarePants wrote:[/b] [quote]What the heck is an Armenian? I'm an American, but I still believe in free will. Joshua 24:15 "Choose this day whom you will serve"[/quote] Arminian. The opisite of Calvinist, basically. Believes in free will and stuff like you can lose your salvation.[/quote] Yeah, I was just being facetious (or trying to). I don't go in for titles like that. They just split us up. I'm a follower of the Most High, and a disciple of His Son, Yeshua HaMeshiach, who is called Jesus. What more do you need to know?[/quote] Amen to that.

you know.... i think this all may be a misunderstanding on the definition of predestination. my mother and youth paster believe in "predestination" but not reallly.... they call it that, but i think they mean predestination in the boundarys of foreknowledge. what is your definition of predestination?

[b]Swinny89 wrote:[/b] [quote]you know.... i think this all may be a misunderstanding on the definition of predestination. my mother and youth paster believe in "predestination" but not reallly.... they call it that, but i think they mean predestination in the boundarys of foreknowledge. what is your definition of predestination?[/quote]

[b]Swinny89 wrote:[/b] [quote]you know.... i think this all may be a misunderstanding on the definition of predestination. my mother and youth paster believe in "predestination" but not reallly.... they call it that, but i think they mean predestination in the boundarys of foreknowledge. what is your definition of predestination?[/quote] We use terms like "predestination" and "foreknowledge" to explain in human terms what we cannot comprehend. God isn't bound by this thing we call "time"-He exists outside of it. The fact that God is infinite proves this since time is a finite concept (it is theoretically possible to have an infinite amount of time, but it still has it's limitations). We can't comprehend existence outside of time because everything we see and everything we can experience (in this life) is bound by it. There is no past, present, or future (these are all expressions of time) with God-He sees all of time as a whole. The term "foreknowledge" is really a human way of trying to comprehend God's infinity. "Predestination" goes along with this. God knows every choice we are going to make infinity before we make it (speaking in human terms). So for all practical purposes, it is set in stone outside of time because of God being infinite. With foreknowledge comes predestination. and without predestination there is no foreknowledge.

Post edited by: Silent_K, at: 2007/07/18 09:44